Cons moving to Israel for Muscovites with "Ponta"

About already wrote plusesand now let's go through the minuses. They are not less. But you know, I am sure that many of them are only a matter of time, after all, a new country with its own mentality, its own laws and procedures. That is, you need to spend some amount of effort to figure out how and what is arranged here, and then something will no longer seem a minus. I tried to remember everything that I had to face in a month, and what was unusual and difficult for a person who came from Moscow. So let's say something that is worth knowing and having in mind.

And yes, just want to say, I'm for realism - thatI see, and write about. If there is rubbish, it means it is, but does not mean that I invent it and specifically focus on it. And if in another country I don’t see him, then I don’t see him in another country. It's simple. We are all different and we perceive everything in different ways too. So “let's not talk about the bad”, this is not about me, things should be called by their proper names. In any case, this post is only my subjective view of what I saw. Another person with different source data may have a completely different perception of the same reality. Patriots of Israel, please do not be offended.

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Hard to figure out

It is impossible to sort things out to the end. You ask people, you read the forums, but all the time one piece of advice contradicts the other, and everything seems to depend on the specific situation. For example, it comes to the fact that even with a bank you can bargain. For me, this nonsense. If there is a tariff in Russia, then it is there, and it is always the same for everyone. And then under certain circumstances, you can, for example, make a free annual card service. Just because you got up and left, saying that the conditions do not suit you. And so in all, there is no accuracy and specificity. And it seems no one is trying to fully understand, everyone has their own experience in the same situations.

We must separately tell you how I bought Simka. It seemed to be well-read, I studied the whole day, then I talked to people locally, but ... I came to the store where they sell mobile phones, they convince me that without a credit card, no one will sell me a postpaid sim card, which can only be bought by an expensive prepaid for tourists. Nevertheless, I go further to the Hot Mobile counter (mobile operator) and they tell me that they will sell SIM cards without any problems, they only need my account number in an Israeli bank and in general there is no difference, I need to issue a SIM card or credit card number. Returning to the mobile phone salon, telling. There they convince me that it cannot be, but they are already going back down and they say that it is possible to buy, but there will be a separate large commission for the absence of a credit card. I’m going back to the Hot Mobile counter, they say there is no commission. Then I come to the Hot Mobile counter with the seller from the salon, so that they rubbed in Hebrew, that there really is. It turns out in the end that without a credit card they will sell without problems, but there is a commission, but very small and this commission always exists, regardless of whether it is a credit card or an account. An hour of time was spent on solving such a trivial matter as buying a sim card, and searching for truth.

By the way, the seller in the mobile phone salon wasthe very persuasiveness, piously self-righteous. They say that I have been living here for a long time, I am constantly engaged in sims, I know everything, do not argue with me. You know, and so it was already more than once. They asked about the bus route at the bus stop and received several opinions as he was driving, in the call center of the insurance company about recording to a separate doctor, when the answers of the employees ranged from “yes, of course” to “impossible”. In general, my conclusion, when you ask something, do not trust anyone 100% and ask someone else :)

Slow internet

Judging by the reviews on the forum, the stories of friends, andalso to my own experience, the speed of the mobile Internet (in my understanding) leaves much to be desired. 15 megabits is already good for the mobile Internet. I currently have Hot Mobile myself and more than 30 megabits in Haifa, he hasn’t yet shown, and most often it gives out about 2-5 megabits (despite the fact that 4G works). But if we talk about incoming traffic, outgoing more than 2-5 megabits does not exist in principle, only lower.

Home wired internet is also not far away,speed of about 30-40 megabits. And the saddest thing is that asymmetric channels are still used here. That is, the jump will be 30-40 megabits, and 2-3 downloads. This is very small by modern standards. And, if it is not so important for the mobile Internet, in the case of home Internet more than. This speed for the outgoing channel means - goodbye clouds! And I'm so used to using them. I had 70 megabits in both directions in Moscow, it cost all kopeks, and the speed never fell. Yes, yes, here in Israel, the speed also periodically drops, down to zero. IMHO, the situation with the Internet in Israel is about the same as in Thailand, but I’m not talking about Russia at all, there’s just space Internet. Why in Israel, which is like a high-tech country, is such an Internet, a mystery to me.

There is one provider that uses others.technology and symmetrical channels, but it has very little coverage in the country. Our house in Haifa is definitely not connected, and perhaps this company in Haifa does not exist at all.

Average internet speed at home

Average internet speed at home

Internet services

Internet services and websites in Israel are located onMoscow level 10 years ago. You know, I used to order on the Internet so you place an order and the next day they bring me the goods. I got used to the fact that many online stores have delivery points near the house. I'm used to having a bunch of different websites with reviews on any product and there are forums where specific models are discussed. I'm used to the fact that there is always a choice of services. I'm used to the fact that services and websites are very high-quality, modern, intuitive, understandable, and not html, made on the knee. Usability of interfaces because our everything!

The analogue of the Russian Avito is yad2. I agree, there is no alternative in Russia now either, and also one major service. But sellers on Avito in Russia are just an example of eloquence and photo workshop. Here in Israel, many ads have very poor descriptions (if any), and in most cases do not have photos. And if there is a photo, they are as if they were made on a vacuum cleaner. Perhaps it is not customary to take photos and descriptions, I do not know. As a result, the ad you absolutely can not understand anything, which means you can not filter beforehand, whether to look at this apartment, sofa, car, or not. It is necessary to go to watch live. As a result, the search for second-hand - this is the quest with the cost of time. In this case, the owners are very upset that after viewing the product you do not take it. Well, the ash tree is a stump, I haven’t seen any pictures before, and this greasy sofa for me for any price did not go.

One of the most modern sites, analog Yandex.Market

One of the most modern sites, analog Yandex.Market

Old housing stock

The housing stock is just tin. The houses are old, cold in winter, there is no central heating, often the entrances are open and blown, most of the houses have no elevator. And the furniture in the budget rental apartments ... Now I understand perfectly why many here prefer to rent unfurnished and buy / bring their own. Repairs in the apartments are usually very simple in the form of painted walls, no double glazing, ice tile floors. Such neglect of thermal insulation is excusable for tropical countries with eternal summer, but I don’t know such housing here, where in winter the temperature may drop to zero. In general, local, as I understand it, relate to housing a lot easier than the Russians, considering ryushechki, such as an elevator and a European-quality repair, as superfluous :) Returning to the name of the post. Well, you know, they say, it is necessary to relate to everything easier. In some ways, I agree, of course, but it turns out to be a kind of sanuk and sabai in felt boots and on a heated electric sheet, for which I am personally not ready yet.

There are brand new homes, or relatively new ones,but good. However, there are few of them in total, rental prices are much higher. And it seemed to me that in general there was a certain deficit in good apartments (by a combination of factors). That is, among the budget apartments you can find something worthwhile, but you need to stock up on time and good luck. However, if you are interested in an apartment of the middle and upper price range, then everything will be ok with “Ponte”. I wrote about this in the pros, when there is money, you will find housing no worse, and even better than it was in Russia.

Old housing stock, something like Khrushchev

Old housing stock, something like Khrushchev

In the area of ​​Adar, so do some terrible barracks

In the area of ​​Adar, so do some terrible barracks

Sliding window frames with slits

Sliding window frames with slits

Banking

Registration of the bank account took about an hour. At the same time, I signed my signature 20 times. Twenty, Karl! We didn’t give us credit cards, because we need regular payments to the account, but okay, we, too, will have no normal bank without a credit history. But on debit cards the commission for each operation! That is, he withdrawn money from an ATM - a commission, paid at a store - a commission, made an operation in an information security - a commission. It is small, but how so. There is practically no interest on deposits, there are no cashbacks, and there is also a commission for depositing money into the account. Something is not familiar at all, I have Russian cards with free annual maintenance, and, on the contrary, I get money for each operation. And I am silent about this, what an intricate system for debiting funds from here, and what unpretentious Internet banks. Guys, Russia has a cool banking system! Only now inflation in the Russian Federation and the regulator have wiped out this advantage.

Separately about the money and shopping. At first, it is very difficult to buy something. Imagine, you are entering an empty apartment, and you need urgently a refrigerator. Without it, it's really quite difficult to live, on canned food and bread you will not last long. A fridge, for example, costs 3,000 shekels. When you come to the store, you are told that the delivery will be in a week. Well, there is an option to buy on the store's website, there are models with delivery in 1-2 days. But the site does not accept Russian cards (and any other foreign, only local), and the local card, if you have one, has a limit of 2,000 shekels. Vicious circle. And here, either to take something in the offline store, or go to the bank to change the limit (if it is possible, I have not gone yet), or ask friends to pay, then to give them cash. There are a lot of such difficulties, though not critical, at first, be prepared.

Garbage and visual component

I am no stranger after Thailand, but far from itEurope in this regard. The garbage, of course, is not always visible, it can lie somewhere in the grass, or near the trash can, somewhere under the trees. Not to say that it is straight many, many, but it is. However, the more prestigious the area, the less garbage there and the more pleasant the architecture.

Also the visual component here is an amateur,when we talk about urban development. Again, Thailand gave a good preparation with its dominance of gray-moldy buildings, I got used to homeliness. Yes, and sleeping areas in Moscow is not a sample of aesthetics. In Haifa, everything looks better, yes, but many buildings are not beautiful at all. Some look like some kind of barracks. But then again, compared with Ty, there are much more well-kept places here, flower beds all kinds, flowers. The comparison may not be entirely correct, but Israel is more to Asia in appearance, so you should not wait for a toy Europe with red roofs.

Mussor on the street in Haifa, Kiryat Eliezer district

Mussor on the street in Haifa, Kiryat Eliezer district

Rubbish on the street in Neve David

Rubbish on the street in Neve David

Very expensive

Just went to the supermarket to buy products ona couple of days and oops 300-400 shekels (5-6 thousand rubles), although I only bought a package of food. Of course, if you go to large stores, stock up in bulk (as we are advised here), know the prices (we still do not really fumble), then you can somewhat reduce costs. However, in Moscow it was already usual in ordinary supermarkets (not in the ABC of Taste, but ordinary in the area) to buy almost without looking at prices, given that I buy the most ordinary products, and not some organic food or 20-year-old brandy. I will write about product prices separately.

Or take Ikea. In theory, this is a budget furniture store, but for the mattress (the average one in the Ikeev lineup) I had to pay a little much 30 thousand rubles. All equipment also costs one and a half to two more expensive. Though straight do not look at the prices as they were in Russia. I can only join the advice from the forum, that when repatriating, I need to take all the equipment from Russia. And it's time to upgrade your laptop, camera, phone and so on before moving. In principle, if you then go to Russia at least once every couple of years, it’s not a problem to coincide with this trip and change all your gadgets.

Also, all prices in Russia for cars should be multipliedby 2, to estimate how much a car costs in Israel. Apparently, therefore, there are a lot of small cars and economy class cars in general. Machines for all my friends in Moscow, who in principle can afford to buy ordinary office workers, here apparently go to another class. Below you can see in the screenshot the price of a new Kia Rio, just because the budget car, but it is worth it. I doubt that even it is available to the main majority of people. Apparently, I myself will also be something quite simple to take, such as the supported Focus.

The new Kia Rio 1.4 LX costs 113900 shekels or 1.75 million rubles

The new Kia Rio 1.4 sedan on the machine costs 113900 shekels or 1.75 million rubles

PR

PR, if you can call it that, is in manycountries, and Israel is no exception. There is such a position that everything is fine with us, and if you notice something bad, then you will be showered with slippers. That is, there is a concentration of attention purely on the positive aspects, and deliberate ignorance of the negative. I'm a supporter of healthy realism, as I wrote above. In general, criticism is normal, the main thing is that it does not turn into whining for any reason. :) In all you need a balance.

So, I noticed that consciously orUnconsciously, people here even emit trifles, they say, look, here we have it and here it is. Although in fact it is already everywhere and has become something ordinary. I immediately remember how we somehow came to friends in France a long time ago and took us to the supermarket, they say, look what kind of stores we have. Of course, it’s great, but in Russia, supermarkets have been around for a long time already, so you can’t write down that there are supermarkets in France. Although, of course, the presence of a supermarket is definitely a plus. So, I have a feeling that some repatriates who left in the 90s from Russia still think that there too, but Russia has changed a lot, and the whole world has changed too. Therefore, when they say that there is an excellent Internet in Israel, then ... It exists, it’s kind of a plus, that it exists at all (after all, it could not be), but it’s far from the Internet, for example, in Russia itself.

So, behind PR and some fictionalthe superiority hides cons and pros, which may not be pluses at all, but commonplace in the modern world. As a result, too gullible repatriates, who still believe in some ideal country, may experience disappointment upon arrival. :) I can’t catch me anymore, I was in different countries and there are no high expectations.

Shabbat and opening hours

From the perspective of a working person, maybeit's even good, everyone has a normalized working day. But from the point of view of the consumer is very uncomfortable. On the Sabbath, which runs from Friday to Saturday, everything stops. In the two days off there is nothing bad, everywhere like that, but nothing works, neither shops, nor banks, nor part of public transport. That is, if you want to do some things on the weekend, then forget, they can be done only on weekdays. To be honest, for me it is a question how an office worker can do this, because he will have to ask for leave every time. Also, a person who is used to 24-hour shopping in Russia, to the fact that a lot of things work without holidays (at least private organizations, not state institutions), will be difficult to restructure.

Separately, it should be said about the work time. For example, banks work not only with weekends, but only 5 hours a day (from 8 to 13 hours). Sometimes there are a couple of evening hours, but in Russia even the conservative Sberbank is open from 8 am to 7 pm and sometimes no days off at all. Institutions and clinics in Israel work in a similar way, only part of the day.

Hapoalim Bank Hours

Hapoalim Bank Hours

Hebrew do not read

Despite the fact that I wrote in the pros that hereRussian-speaking employees are often found in various organizations, but ignoring Hebrew will fail. And, above all, the problem arises with the reading of the text. Because, in other countries where the Latin is used in the language, you may be wrong, but you can read something. More precisely, at least you will be able to distinguish one word from another, and even remember that “sour cream” is written on this bank, and “yogurt” is written on this bank. Moreover, it will occur automatically and without much effort. The letters of the Hebrew alphabet merge into a single unreadable ligature, at first completely indistinguishable. Therefore, whether you want it or not, but at a minimal level you will have to learn Hebrew. For me, there is still a problem to buy sour cream, because in the store in a huge 3-meter refrigerator on all banks are drawn the same seekers, and in fact there is a whole set of dairy products.

Everything merges and is not readable for those who did not learn Hebrew

Everything merges and is not readable for those who did not learn Hebrew

Available environment is not always available

I can only say about Haifa. Most of the city is located on the mountain and on its slope, so an accessible environment for people with disabilities is only below. Actually, it is exactly at the bottom that we see constantly wheelchair users. Upstairs difficult with this, a lot of stairs. And in general, I can say that not everything is thought out and not everywhere. That is, if, again, the repatriate wants to see some kind of paradise for wheelchairs, then here he is not. I think the situation is better in Tel Aviv, but also not perfect. However, everything is relative.

Also I want to mention parking separately, there are few of them, and cars often stand on sidewalks, pedestrian crossings, so you can't get past the carriage.

In the upper Haifa, a lot of stairs

In the upper Haifa, a lot of stairs

But in the lower Haifa sometimes you have to carry a pram

But in the lower Haifa sometimes you have to carry a pram

Cars often stand on the sidewalks all blocking

Cars often stand on the sidewalks all blocking

P.S. Just in case, let me remind you your position: there are no ideal countries, absolutely everywhere there are pluses and minuses, and you need to look for your personal correlation of pluses and minuses. Therefore, the above mentioned does not bother me personally, I knew a lot about it beforehand and was ready for it. Therefore, no "suitcase-station", we live here. Peace for everyone!

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